It has been urged, indeed, that our Lord himself says, “I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me.” (John xvii 9). But will they here interpret “the world” to be the world of the elect? If so, they cut even them off from the prayers of Christ. But if by “the world” they would have us understand the world of the non-elect, they they will find that all the prayers which our Lord puts up for those whom “the Father hath given him,” had this end, “that they,” the non-elect “world,” “may believe that thou hast sent me:” (verse 21) let them choose either side of the alternative. The meaning of this passage is, however, made obvious by the context. Christ, in the former part of his intercession, as recorded in this chapter, prays exclusively, not for his church in all ages, but for his disciples then present with him; as appears plain from verse 12: “While I was with them in the world, I kept them in they name.” But he was only with his first disciples, and for them he exclusively prays in the first instance; then, in verse 20, he prays for all who, in future, should believe on him through their words; and he does this in order that “the world,” in its largest sense, is not cut off, but expressly included in the benefits of this prayer.
Great Follow-up Comments by David Martinez on the Recent Conversation Between James White and Austin Fischer
You can read the post at SEA here.
David does a fine job exposing White’s spurious debate tactics. James White has truly made an art out of poisoning the well as Martinez well points out (See post below for more evidence). And again, we see the tired old assumption that one cannot possibly disagree with Calvinism on Biblical grounds. Why? Because Calvinism is so obviously Biblical, of course. So any disagreement with Calvinism must be driven by some sort of ulterior motive or disrespect for Scripture.
David also does a great job easily dispatching the horrible Calvinist prooftexting of John 17:9. I will borrow one of White’s favorite superlative phrases and agree with Martinez in my “utter amazement” that Calvinists still try to use this passage to support Calvinism. I’m amazed, truly and utterly amazed!
Five Part Series Responding to C. Michael Patton’s “The Irrationality of Calvinism” (Highlights Several Problems With Calvinist Argumentative Techniques and Fallacious Debate Tactics).
The Fallacies of Calvinist Apologetics (14 Part Series on Apologetic Fallacies Typically Employed by Calvinists Like James White)
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