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- A Problem for Open Theism
- A.W. Tozer on the Sovereignty of God
- Albert Taylor Bledsoe, *Examination of President Edwards' Inquiry Into the Freedom of the Will*
- An Arminian Response to Open Theism
- Andrew Telford, “Foreknowledge”
- Brian P. Irwin, “Yahweh’s Suspension of Free Will in the Old Testament: Divine Immorality or Sign-Act?”
- Calvinism: Free Will & the Early Church
- Daniel D. Whedon, *The Freedom of the Will as a Basis of Human Responsibility and a Divine Government* (on-line)
- David P. Hunt, "Contra Hasker: Why Simple Foreknowledge Is Still Useful"
- Dennis McCallum Exegetes Romans 9 on YouTube
- DIVINE ASEITY, DIVINE FREEDOM: A CONCEPTUAL PROBLEM FOR EDWARDSIAN-CALVINISM
- Does Arminianism Diminish God's Glory? by Robert Hamilton
- Does Arminianism Diminish God’s Glory?
- DOES GOD DECEIVE? THE ‘DELUDING INFLUENCE’ OF SECOND THESSALONIANS 2:11
- Does Proverbs 21:1 Teach Calvinistic Determinism?
- Dorian G. Coover Cox, "The Hardening of Pharaoh’s Heart in its Literary and Cultural Contexts"
- Dr. Thomas McCall Takes On John Piper and the Calvinistic View of God's Sovereignty
- Edgar, Thomas R. “THE MEANING OF PROGINWSKW (“FOREKNOWLEDGE”)”
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- Foreknowledge, Freedom, and the Future (Picirilli)
- Good Comments on Divine Hardening of the Human Heart by the NET Bible: Isaiah 6:10 and 63:17
- Henry Philip Tappan, *A Review of Edwards' Inquiry into the Freedom of the Will*
- IS FAITH A GIFT FROM GOD OR A HUMAN EXERCISE?
- Is God’s knowledge the cause of all things?
- John Fletcher: “REPLY TO THE PRINCIPAL CALVINIST AND FATALIST ARGUMENTS FOR THE DOCTRINE OF ABSOLUTE NECESSITY”
- John Goodwin, *Redemption Redeemed*
- M. William Ury, Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology's Entry on "Will"
- Magic Hand-waving in the Calvinist Cause
- Molina, Arminus, Plaifere, Goad, and Wesley On Human Free-will, Divine Omniscience, and Middle Knowledge
- Moral Agency and Accountability
- Norman Geisler, Entry on “Free Will” in the Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics
- Objections To Calvinism As It Is
- Outcomes, Foreknowledge, and Free Will
- Paul Copan, "Taking Calvinism Too Far: R.C. Sproul Jr.’s Evil-Creating Deity"
- Paul Copan, "Taking Calvinism Too Far: R.C. Sproul Jr.’s Evil-Creating Deity"
- Richard Watson, On Omniscience
- Robert B. Chisholm Jr., “ANATOMY OF AN ANTHROPOMORPHISM: DOES GOD DISCOVER FACTS?”
- Robert Hamilton, “Philosophical Reflections on Free Will”
- Roger Olson, "My Biggest Problem with Calvin/Calvinism"
- S. M. BAUGH AND THE MEANING OF FOREKNOWLEDGE: ANOTHER LOOK
- Sovereignty and Free Will (Cottrell)
- The Failure of God?
- The Lazy Man's Guide to Refuting Edwards and Compatibilism
- The Reality of Choice and the Testimony of Scripture
- Two Wills in God?
- Walter A. Elwell, Entry on “Hardening, Hardness of Heart” in *Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology*
- What is Compatibilism?
- Why I Reject Determinism and A Model of God’s Atemporal Perspective
- William Lane Craig on Romans 9
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- A BIBLICAL CONCEPT OF A JUST GOD
- A PRELIMINARY DEFENSE OF PREVENIENT GRACE
- Are Arminians Semi-Pelagian?
- Daniel Whitby, "Arguments against Irresistible Grace (Part 2)"
- Daniel Whitby, "Refuting Arguments for Irresistible Grace (Part 1): Grace – Defining the Question"
- Daniel Whitby, "Refuting Arguments for Irresistible Grace (Part 3)"
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- John Wesley as a Theologian of Grace
- John Wesley’s View of Man: A Study in Free Grace Versus Free Will
- John Wesley, *The Doctrine of Original Sin*
- Lest They Should Turn and Be Forgiven: Irony
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- Prevenient Grace Explained
- PREVENIENT GRACE IN THE BOOK OF ACTS
- SOLD OUT AT ROMANS 7
- The Failure of God?
- The False Antithesis Between Monergism and Synergism: A Lesson from Historical Theology
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- The Universality of Jesus' Drawing All to Him (John 12:32)
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- I. Howard Marshall, *A Pocket Guide to New Testament Theology* (on-line)
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- Joseph Agar Beet, Commentary on St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans (on-line)
- Kept by the Power of God
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Hahahahaha … priceless.
I was going to add, ‘and chapters 10 & 11’, but thought 2 lines down the bottom would lose it’s snappiness 😛
Jason,
Could you create a new image without the hat? I am not a big fan of the hat. I honestly barely noticed it at first, but now it seems to detract from the main point- Piper’s unusual exegetical method in interpreting Romans 9. The hat can come across as offensive as it can portray him as stupid. I doubt you think he is stupid, even if he neglected very important Biblical information in interpreting Romans 9. My guess is the hat is a way of kinda making light of interpreting Romans 9 while neglecting Paul’s actual conclusion to the chapter, but since it is on his head, it comes across as a little too personal and insulting. Anyway, if you can provide a new image, I will leave the post up, but if not I will be taking it down soon.
Thanks,
Ben
Sure, when I get home I’ll repost it in the SEA google group.
Thanks. It is a point well made; I just don’t want to unnecessarily offend anyone in making that point.
God Bless,
Ben
Is anyone else not seeing the image now that I have updated, or is it just my computer? The image showed up fine when I first updated it.
I’m not seeing anything.
I’ll try again. Not sure what happened.
Good picture, but wrong dimensions.
It’s fixed, but smaller. Oh, well. Still don’t understand what happened.
That’ll do.