Enjoying Some Classic Calvinist Compliments on Arminian Teaching

“Fun” Calvinist Quotes on Arminian Theology

This post is almost as funny as it is sad.  Thanks for keeping us sane, Kevin.  And if you haven’t had your fill of Calvinist vitriolic rhetoric, you might want to read Roy’s post as well,

Pulling Some Comments Out of the Bag

I am sure I could double Roy’s list (at least) with a little effort, but this is probably more than enough “fun” for now.

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11 Responses

  1. Glad to do my part Ben. 🙂

    You could put together a pretty good list just with your last thread. You incorrigible Marcionite antinomian Arminian (that one had me rolling).

  2. Kevin,

    I was thinking that as well. One thing is for sure, of all the names that might come my way as an Arminian standing against Calvinism, “incorrigible Marcionite antinomian ” is one that I could have never predicted.

    Your post was hilarious.

    God Bless,
    Ben

  3. Some things just make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside 🙂

  4. Kang,

    for me, one who is decidedly neither Calvinist or Arminian, these verses seem relevant to post and make a request after:

    Pro 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself.
    Pro 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes.

    I would sure like to be educated in your view of each of those ten points Kevin posted on his blog.

    What would be your answer to each of those foolishly worded responses?

    thanks and waiting to see what you can make of them?

  5. “What would be your answer to each of those foolishly worded responses?”

    Ummm… “Please note the smiley-face disclaimer in the introduction and the label that says ‘humor.'”

  6. Michael,

    What J.C. said. Here is what Kevin wrote,

    Don’t take them [i.e. his “foolishly worded responses”] any more seriously than you take the Calvinist quotes. 🙂

  7. Right guys, I got that.

    That is not my request. You are the ones labeling those quotes as foolish, are you not? Those authors of those quotes obviously are not thinking they are foolish at all when leveling those quotes at Kevin.

    The exercise I am asking for brings out who is foolish, does it not?

    You have aligned yourselves with Kevin and are equally characterizing those quotes as foolish except apparently #7, which, I might add, was the only one of the ten I was in sinc with after reading them too.

    It would be an exercise in educating one such as I am, undecidedly Calvinist or Arminian. I suppose you have others who come into this blog to learn the perspectives of Arminius?

    Quite frankly, I find both foolish in nature in light of the great missions of the Church, in two things, here:

    1: Eph 4:12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,
    Eph 4:13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,
    Eph 4:14 so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.
    Eph 4:15 Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ,
    Eph 4:16 from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love.

    2: Eph 3:8 To me, though I am the very least of all the saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
    Eph 3:9 and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things,
    Eph 3:10 so that through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places.
    Eph 3:11 This was according to the eternal purpose that he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord,
    Eph 3:12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through our faith in him.

    I realize this blog is your attempt at apologetics from a decidely Arminian perspective.

    What is the old saw? It goes something like this::::>

    “The major thing is to keep the major thing the major thing”.

    That is why I am asking for you to answer the foolishness of those ten responses, nine of them, at least, which it seems to me sheds some light on the major issues Calvinists so rudely and at times, humorously, insult your good favor with.

  8. Michael,

    “The exercise I am asking for brings out who is foolish, does it not?”

    I honestly have no idea what you’re getting at, or why anyone would seek answers to comments intended to be farcical. Can you rephrase what you’re asking?

    “That is why I am asking for you to answer the foolishness of those ten responses….”

    I think it was 8 responses actually… anyway, here goes…. “I almost pulled a muscle laughing.”

    Also, to the scripture reference from Proverbs, the point of the two apparently contradictory statements given is that there’s no correct way to answer a fool.

  9. With all deference to you JC, I respectfully see it quite differently.

    I see Proverbs’ verses cited as quite relevant to this whole exercise.

    You admittedly having considered those quotes, eight, nine or ten of them as farcical which shows about as much about you and they and them.

    Isn’t that just like a kettle calling a pot black after both were over the fire?

    Are you then saying that those farcical responses were Arminians having fun at some foolish charges against them by some foolish Calvinist/s?

    There seems to me then a great injustice being done here.

    Is this a humorous way for Arminian apologetics then?

    I opened the door to some major issues to be raised for Kang to consider blogging and engaging bloggers too so that there can be, at least two accomplished ends with one blog, 1] edification and 2] destruction of strongholds.

    Instead, here we have Calvinists and Arminians, both guilty before God and man because they are wrestling with one another’s doctrines and it doesn’t seem too edifying all the while neither are wrestling with His manifold wisdom against rulers and authorities in heavenly places all the while bringing edification to His Church!

    Anyway, I asked Kang to take each foolish humorous charge posted by Kevin at his blog this blog drew attention too, a fool’s retort and answer it so as to show “who is” the fool, the retorter or the re-retorter.

    Are you saying that is not a fair request?

    I would think any fairminded apologist would only want the opportunity to show the foolishness in the debate especially if it was clearly establishing the Truth of the Gospel in this world devils full?

    So, Kang, what about it? Are you going to remain with your answer above or would you kindly respond to each of those “ten” responses Kevin pulled out of his bag of responses and posted on his blog that pointed too?

    thanks

    Hopefully we can get behind us any other offenses that may have occurred by me between me and Robert, for which you came close to banning me from responding to any article or responses in here?

    I offer a conciliation by Verses then:::>

    2Co 13:11 Finally, brothers, rejoice. Aim for restoration, comfort one another, agree with one another, live in peace; and the God of love and peace will be with you.
    2Co 13:12 Greet one another with a holy kiss.
    2Co 13:13 All the saints greet you.
    2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

  10. Michael,

    I’m at the library so I only have a minute. As usual, I am struggling to understand your point or question. I don’t see that anyone is being foolish here so I see no reason to “respond” to “any responses”. Kevin’s post rather speaks for itself. To me it was both a shocking testimony to the disdain that some prominent Calvinist writers and theologians have towards Arminians and Arminianism, as well as a fun interaction in order to make light of the situation.

    People can take from it whatever they like. For me it was a way to maintain some sanity and not get too flustered while reading such disturbing material from such Calvinist apologists (and if you want to gain insight into Kevin’s intentions, you should ask him). If you want to make this some sort of an exercise in determining who is the fool, or something like that, then feel free to start your own blog and have at it. So to your question,

    So, Kang, what about it? Are you going to remain with your answer above or would you kindly respond to each of those “ten” responses Kevin pulled out of his bag of responses and posted on his blog that pointed too?

    The answer is, “not interested.”

    I would also suggest that comments like these…

    Instead, here we have Calvinists and Arminians, both guilty before God and man because they are wrestling with one another’s doctrines and it doesn’t seem too edifying all the while neither are wrestling with His manifold wisdom against rulers and authorities in heavenly places all the while bringing edification to His Church!

    Anyway, I asked Kang to take each foolish humorous charge posted by Kevin at his blog this blog drew attention too, a fool’s retort and answer it so as to show “who is” the fool, the retorter or the re-retorter.

    …are out of line.

    God Bless,
    Ben

  11. Hi Michael, Humor is useful because sometimes absurdity best illustrates absurdity. Some “rants” don’t deserve to be taken seriously, because to do so gives them more weight than they merit.

    Humor is Biblical, although sometimes we lose it in translation. Jesus used it against the Pharisees. Proverbs is full of it. There is even sometimes a little potty humor. Here’s an example for your enjoyment:

    [The context here is Elijah vs the prophets of Baal. The prophets of Baal have been trying all morning to get their god to light their sacrifice. Here’s what Elijah says to them]

    1 Kings 18:27 And at noon Elijah mocked them, saying, “Cry aloud, for he is a god. Either he is musing, or he is relieving himself, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and must be awakened.”

    God bless,
    Kevin

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