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		<title>Preach Reprobation and Preach it Hard!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I noted in my previous post, according to Jesus, far more will be lost than saved (Matt. 7:13, 14).  In Calvinism this can only mean that God has reprobated from eternity far more than He has elected to save.  According to Calvinism, God&#8217;s reprobation of most of humanity is &#8220;for His glory&#8221;.  From this [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=arminianperspectives.wordpress.com&amp;blog=3262084&amp;post=1430&amp;subd=arminianperspectives&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I noted in my previous <a href="http://arminianperspectives.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/1-corinthians-15-and-the-claims-of-calvinism/">post</a>, according to Jesus, far more will be lost than saved (Matt. 7:13, 14).  In Calvinism this can only mean that God has reprobated from eternity far more than He has elected to save.  According to Calvinism, God&#8217;s reprobation of most of humanity is &#8220;for His glory&#8221;.  From this it seems safe to conclude that God&#8217;s action in reprobation brings Him far more glory than His action in electing to salvation.  The fact that far more will end up in hell than in heaven in accordance with God&#8217;s irresistible eternal decree brings God ultimate glory [1].  If that is the case, it seems to me that Calvinists should focus much more on reprobation and God&#8217;s act of reprobation the majority of mankind, consigning them to an eternity of unimaginable suffering for the sins and unbelief that God irresistibly decreed for them from eternity, than on God&#8217;s electing the few to salvation [2].</p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">But</span> when Arminians focus on the &#8220;horrible decree&#8221;, Calvinists typically want to quickly divert our attention to the few who get saved instead of dwelling on the many who have been reprobated to eternal suffering by way of God&#8217;s irresistible eternal decree.  Why not glory in the reprobation of many, especially since it seems that reprobation must bring God far more glory than election unto salvation?</p>
<p>For all their talk about Arminians supposedly <a href="http://arminianperspectives.wordpress.com/2010/02/03/how-can-gods-glory-be-diminished-in-calvinism/">robbing God of His glory</a>, it seems that Arminians are the ones who are trying to give God more glory by focusing on God&#8217;s irresistible decree of reprobation in discussing Calvinism. </p>
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<p>[1] This note is an update after receiving feedback on the post from a fellow Arminian.  He pointed out that this post could be seen as misrepresenting the Calvinist position since in Calvinism reprobation can be seen to give God more glory &#8220;in conjunction&#8221; with election so that &#8220;the misery of the reprobate serves to highlight and exalt the blessedness of the elect&#8221;.  I agree that this is the Calvinist view, but I would argue that my post doesn&#8217;t misrepresent this position (though I could have made my point clearer), since in Calvinism this really doesn&#8217;t explain why God needs to reprobate the vast majority of humanity.  If the argument is that the more that are reprobated, the more election looks good, then God would have ultimately glorified Himself by reprobating all but one person, or something like that.  So the question remains: Why would God need to reprobate so many?  If it is to enhance His glory in election then reprobation of more than are elected gives God more glory, and Calvinists should at least focus on reprobation more, especially on the fact that God gets more glory in election by reprobating far more than he elects.  That is something that Calvinists typically want to downplay, even denying the obvious (as some, like James White, seem to almost deny the charge, immediately focusing on the Revelation text of a multitude in heaven to draw attention away from the fact that there are far, far more that are reprobated) in order to take attention away from the disproportion between election and reprobation.  If the disproportion brings God greater glory, then it should be a focus of Calvinist preaching, rather than largely ignored, downplayed, or swept under the rug altogether. </p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">[2]</span> As I mentioned in my <a href="http://arminianperspectives.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/1-corinthians-15-and-the-claims-of-calvinism/">last post</a>, I agree with Wesley that whether we view reprobation as passive or active, it amounts to the same thing (see his two sermons, <a href="http://evangelicalarminians.org/files/Wesley.%20PREDESTINATION%20CALMLY%20CONSIDERED.pdf">Predestination Calmly Considered</a> and <a href="http://evangelicalarminians.org/node/261">On Predestination</a>).  It is also unclear how reprobation can be considered passive in any way that would relieve the difficulty that Calvinists seem to hope to relieve when considered against the backdrop of God&#8217;s exhaustive deterministic control (what Calvinists wrongly term &#8220;Sovereignty&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>1 Corinthians 15 and the Claims of Calvinism</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Calvinism as a system claims that God reprobated a large section of mankind so that they can never be saved. [1] It further claims that the atonement is for this reason limited only to the elect who alone will benefit from the atonement and be saved (with no possibility of falling away).  In such a [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=arminianperspectives.wordpress.com&amp;blog=3262084&amp;post=1426&amp;subd=arminianperspectives&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calvinism as a system claims that God reprobated a large section of mankind so that they can never be saved. [1] It further claims that the atonement is for this reason limited only to the elect who alone will benefit from the atonement and be saved (with no possibility of falling away).  In such a system Jesus died only for the sins of the elect.  If this is the case it seems that many passages of Scripture are disingenuous in commanding all people everywhere to repent and believe on Christ when repentance is impossible for reprobates and Christ did not die for them anyway (For more on that see <a href="http://arminianperspectives.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/provisional-atonement-part-3-the-integrity-and-justice-of-god-in-the-gospel-offer/">here</a>). </p>
<p>If Calvinism is to be consistent in these claims it cannot allow for a person to rightly tell someone that Christ died for them.  The best one can do is say that if they repent and believe, Christ died for them [2] or that Christ died for sinners (meaning “some sinners” but not necessarily the sinner they are presently speaking to) or that Christ might have died for them, or something similar [3].  Therefore, consistent Calvinists say it is wrong to tell the unsaved that Christ died for them [4].  This may seem shocking enough to most Christians, but Calvinists today are often claiming further that the Bible never gives us an example of anyone telling unbelievers that Christ died for them.  It is with this claim in mind that we turn to our text:</p>
<blockquote><p> 1CO 15:1 Now I make known to you, brethren, <em>the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received</em>, in which also you stand,</p>
<p>1CO 15:2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.</p>
<p>1CO 15:3 For I delivered to you as <em>of first importance</em> what I also received, that <em>Christ died for our sins</em> according to the Scriptures,</p>
<p>1CO 15:4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, (NASB, emphasis mine)</p></blockquote>
<p>Paul is recounting to the Corinthians the content of the gospel message as Paul first preached it to them.  The need for this reminder is made clearer later in the chapter where we discover that some are denying the resurrection and by extension are denying the gospel that Paul preached.  Paul makes it clear that the message as he describes it here is the message he first brought to them “of first importance”.  This gospel message includes three main components.  The first is that “Christ died for our sins” followed by the fact that Christ was buried and then rose again on the third day, all of which happened “according to the Scriptures”.  This is the specific content of the gospel message as Paul first delivered it to these Corinthians.  They “received” this gospel by faith and are currently standing on these truths delivered to them by Paul when he first preached this specific gospel message to them.</p>
<p>We can draw several conclusions from what Paul says to the Corinthians in this passage.  The one that most concerns us at present is that the initial message of the gospel to the Corinthians prior to their receiving (by faith) the message Paul preached is that “Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures”.  The rest of the gospel message about the resurrection reinforces this central truth.  We know this because Paul later explains to them that if Christ is not raised then their faith is worthless and they are “still in [their] sins” as a result.  Therefore, the central message of the gospel, according to Paul, is that “Christ died for our sins”.  The resurrection is no less important in that it gives ultimate verification to the primary message of the gospel, Christ’s death for the forgiveness of sins.</p>
<p>But does Paul say that Christ died only for the sins of the elect?  To the contrary, Paul’s initial message to these unsaved Corinthians was that “Christ died for our sins.”  The natural way to understand Paul’s language here is that Christ died not only for Paul’s sins, but for all of their sins as well.  This is the message they needed to receive in order to be saved.  In accepting the truth by faith that Christ died for their sins, they received the forgiveness that results from Christ’s death to all that believe.  So here we have a clear example of the gospel message being preached to unbelievers and the central message of that gospel being not that Christ died for the elect, or that Christ died for sinners (meaning “some” sinners), but that Christ died for “our” (everyone’s) sins.  This is, according to Paul’s own words, the content of the gospel message delivered to them “as first importance.”  Paul is now admonishing them to remember that message that they received (that Christ died for them) and to continue to stand on that message, less their faith prove to be “in vain”.  But if it is unclear whether Christ died for them, how then can they be called on to stand firm on that truth?</p>
<p>Suppose we take Paul’s words to mean Christ died for “our” (the elect’s) sins [5].  That would be a most unnatural way to read the text.  Beyond that, it is hard to imagine how they would appropriate that message.  Is it by believing that Christ died for the elect alone that they are saved?  Surely not.  They could believe that Christ died for Paul and others that at least appeared to be elect (see note #3 below) without believing that Christ died for them in particular.  Indeed, according to Calvinism there is no way to know if Christ died for us until we repent and believe (and even then we cannot know for sure that Christ died for our sins until we persevere to the end [death or Christ’s return] in faith, see note #4 below).</p>
<p>But believe what?  According to Paul it is that Christ died for our sins.  That is the preeminent message of the gospel and it is a message that is grossly at odds with the claims of Calvinism [6].  We can’t trust Christ to save us if Christ did not die for our sins [7].  We can only trust that Christ might have died for us, though the odds are against it (see note #1 below)</p>
<p>We will now take a moment to examine the first part of Paul’s message as it has further relevance for Calvinism in that it seems to plainly contradict the Calvinist doctrine of inevitable perseverance:</p>
<blockquote><p>1CO 15:1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, <em>in which also you stand</em>,</p>
<p>1CO 15:2 by which also you are saved, <em>if you hold fast the word</em> which I preached to you, <em>unless you believed in vain</em>.  (NASB, emphasis mine)</p></blockquote>
<p>In verse one Paul makes it clear that he is addressing those who received his initial gospel message that Christ died for their sins and was buried and raised again.  Not only did they receive this message, but they are presently standing on that message and as a result will be finally saved, with one important qualifier: they must continue to hold on to that truth in the faith that they initially received that truth in.  In other words, if they turn from the truth of that initial message that they received and deny the resurrection, they would in turn be denying the very truth that will ultimately save them.  In such a case their initial faith in the death and resurrection of Christ will prove to have been in vain, since it did not continue.</p>
<p>This is problematic for Calvinism in two important ways.  First, Calvinism asserts that true faith will always endure because God will preserve that faith and cause the believer to persevere in that faith Himself.  So if one receives the truth of the gospel and stands on that truth he will certainly continue to stand on that truth to the end.  If one does not continue he never really stood on that truth to begin with and never truly received that truth to begin with.  But this is at odds with the way Paul speaks of the matter.  Paul does not doubt they received the message; nor does Paul doubt their present commitment to the message.  Paul only questions whether they will continue in that message or turn aside to deny the resurrection, an indispensable part of the message initially received.</p>
<p>If Paul believed that those who fall away never believed in the first place we would expect him to end with “unless (otherwise) you never really believed to begin with” or something similar.  But instead Paul simply points to the fact that in abandoning the faith one will not attain to the object and hope of that faith once exercised since he has turned away from the very message that will ultimately save him.  Therefore, their faith, while it truly existed for a time, will prove to be “in vain” since it does not continue to the point of fully receiving the promise of the gospel- final salvation.</p>
<p>We see similar language in Romans 11:16-24.  After describing election in the context of the ancient olive tree (which represents God’s covenant people beginning with their identity with the patriarchs and ending with their identity with Christ, the final and supreme Head of the covenant), Paul goes on to warn the Gentiles who have entered the new covenant through faith in Christ and have been grafted into the people of God as a result, that they must be careful not to be arrogant over the Jews who have been broken off from the olive tree as a result of their rejection of Christ, the final and supreme Head of the covenant.  The problem for Calvinism is that Paul describes these Gentiles as believers who have been grafted into God’s chosen people and who are presently standing by faith.  There can therefore be no doubt that Paul is speaking to saved individuals who are presently enjoying the blessing of the new covenant through faith union with Christ.  The specific language makes this indisputable,</p>
<blockquote><p>Ro 11:17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root,</p>
<p>Ro 11:18 do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.</p>
<p>Ro 11:19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.”</p>
<p>Ro 11:20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid.</p>
<p>Ro 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.</p>
<p>Ro 11:22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.</p></blockquote>
<p>Just as in 1 Corinthians 15 we find Paul telling those that he describes as presently saved and enjoying the benefits of salvation that they can yet be “broken off” from the people of God and the salvation that belongs to them alone if they do not “continue” in God’s kindness through faith.  Again, if the Calvinist accounting of perseverance were true, we would expect to find Paul telling them that they would have never been in the olive tree and have never believed in the first place.  However, Paul says exactly the opposite; describing them as true believers who can be broken off from a tree they are presently attached to, enjoying all the benefits of God’s elect people in Christ Jesus. [8]</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Conclusion</span>:  We have found that Calvinist claims about limited atonement and inevitable perseverance are severely challenged by the language of 1 Corinthians 15.  We have also found that the Calvinist claim that it is unscriptural to tell sinners that Christ died for their sins is inaccurate, as we have Biblical precedent in Paul’s initial gospel proclamation to the Corinthians that “Christ died for our sins.”  We have also examined a few possible counter arguments and found them to be severely problematic given the context and specific language employed by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15.</p>
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<p>[1] If Jesus is correct that “few” in contrast to “many” enter though the narrow gate unto salvation (and I assume Calvinists would agree that He is correct), then we must conclude that God has reprobated the vast majority of humanity “for His glory” (Matthew 7:13, 14).  Somehow, it would then seem that reprobation must bring God more glory than election unto salvation.  It should also be noted that when I speak of God reprobating people, it could be conceived as a direct action of God or as a more indirect action, as in “passing over” the many that will as a result be left reprobate.  I agree with Wesley and many others that this amounts to a distinction without a difference, or as John Wesley notes after carefully dissecting the claims that passing over is very different and less offensive than direct reprobation, it is “the self same thing.” (See Wesley’s famous sermons, <a href="http://evangelicalarminians.org/files/Wesley.%20PREDESTINATION%20CALMLY%20CONSIDERED.pdf">Predestination Calmly Considered</a> and <a href="http://evangelicalarminians.org/node/261">On Predestination</a>).</p>
<p>[2] This would probably seem to most to be the inverse of what the Bible claims and what we should tell unbelievers about the Gospel- that because Christ died for them, they should repent and believe.  Peter actually says exactly that in his second sermon in the book of Acts (For a more detailed study of that passage see <a href="http://arminianperspectives.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/provisional-atonement-part-3-the-integrity-and-justice-of-god-in-the-gospel-offer/">here</a>).</p>
<p>[3] In such a scheme Calvinist parents can have no real assurance that Christ died for any of their children or that God even loves their children in a saving way (God may instead “hate” them in reprobation as He did Esau).  Nor can a Calvinist parent tell their children that Christ died for them or that God loves them in any meaningful way.  Calvinist Erwin Lutzer tries to claim that Calvinists can have strong assurance that their children are elect, but that claim is easily refuted given the fundamental premises of Calvinism (for more on that see<a href="http://arminianperspectives.wordpress.com/2011/09/06/does-erwin-lutzer-offer-false-hope-to-calvinist-parents/"> here</a>).</p>
<p>[4] But really it is unclear how a Calvinist could even tell someone who appears to be a saved believer that Christ died for them as they may yet fall away and, by Calvinist assumptions, prove that they were never saved or elect to begin with.  Calvinism severely undercuts Biblical assurance in many ways (for more on that see <a href="http://arminianperspectives.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/perseverance-of-the-saints-part-13-salvation-assurance/">here</a>).</p>
<p>[5] Another possible Calvinist explanation would be to claim that Paul was speaking of them as they presently were in saying that Christ died for “our sins” since upon their believing Paul could now say that Christ had in fact died for them.  But this would be an extremely awkward way to understand the text since Paul is recounting his initial message to them and admonishing them to continue to believe it as they first received it.  Not only that, but as noted above, even if they appeared to believe, Paul could not say with confidence, according to Calvinism, that Christ died for them until they demonstrated their faith was genuine and saving by persevering to the end.  But isn’t it true that even in Arminianism many might not have genuine saving faith?  Indeed it is, but that would not change the fact that Christ died for them since in Arminianism Christ died for all, even those who will never believe.  So Arminianism would still be fully in harmony with Paul’s gospel message. </p>
<p>[6] Again, we find the same basic gospel message in Peter’s second sermon recorded in Acts 3.  For details concerning that message see my post, <a href="http://arminianperspectives.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/provisional-atonement-part-3-the-integrity-and-justice-of-god-in-the-gospel-offer/">Provisional Atonement Part 3: The Integrity and Justice of God in the Gospel Offer</a>.  But even if the Bible nowhere showed anyone preaching the message that “Christ died for your sins” it is everywhere implied, especially in those passages which command all to repent and believe on the message on the basis of Christ’s death along with those passages which use universal language in describing the extent of the atonement, of God’s love or desire for all to be saved.  There are many things that believers speak about in ways that the Bible never directly does.  For example, the Bible nowhere describes the Trinity as we often explain it to those who have questions about the Trinity (as God in three persons, or One eternal Being existing in three persons, etc.).  However, we can confidently say such things based on what the Bible does say, even if the Bible does not use that specific language. </p>
<p>Furthermore, the Bible only records a few accounts of the gospel message being preached to sinners and we should not assume that there were not many other ways the message was articulated in the hundreds or thousands of other times the gospel was preached to unbelievers.  And thankfully, we have in 1 Cor. 15 clear evidence that Paul indeed preached to unbelievers that Christ died for their sins (since, in that context, “ours” naturally includes “yours” as well as “mine”).</p>
<p>[7] A Calvinist could possibly answer this by pointing out that in Calvinism God must cause us to have faith irresistibly and would only cause those that Christ died for to believe that Christ died for them.  But this still does not address the resulting disingenuous nature of the offer of salvation throughout Scripture or the specific language that Paul used in presenting the gospel message to the Corinthians as recounted in 1 Corinthians 15; neither does it address the difficulty inherent in the fact that only a faith which perseveres to the end can be considered genuine in Calvinism (see note #4 above).  There again, the Calvinist has no solid grounds for believing that Christ died for them at all since he may yet fall away and prove that his faith was not genuine after all and that Christ did not die for him, though he thought he did.  Only the Arminian view allows for us to accept the straightforward language in Scripture concerning the gospel offer and the nature of the gospel to be received, that Christ died for all and there is therefore forgiveness of sins available for all (Acts 3:19-26).</p>
<p>[8] We should further point out that if Paul’s warning to these believers can never attain or actually happen since God will inevitably preserve them in the faith, then it is nonsense for Paul to tell them to “be afraid” lest they are broken off as a result of not continuing in the faith.  Paul speaks to them as true believers joined to God’s elect people and for that reason, according to Calvinism, they have nothing to fear since it is impossible for true believers to fall away. Everything in Paul’s language points us towards the real possibility of apostasy and away from the Calvinist doctrine of inevitable perseverance.  For a detailed study of several Scriptures which contradict the Calvinist doctrine of inevitable perseverance, see my series <a href="http://arminianperspectives.wordpress.com/category/perseverance-series/">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Acts 13:48: Two Non-Calvinist Views</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Below are links to two articles dealing with the claims of Calvinism regarding Acts 13:48.  The first is an excerpt from a larger article by Brian Abasciano on Corporate Election.  In that article Abasciano briefly tackles the Greek and shows how the Calvinist interpretation is not demanded by the Greek and is contrary to the context.  He takes [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=arminianperspectives.wordpress.com&amp;blog=3262084&amp;post=1422&amp;subd=arminianperspectives&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Below are links to two articles dealing with the claims of Calvinism regarding Acts 13:48.  The first is an excerpt from a larger article by Brian Abasciano on Corporate Election.  In that article Abasciano briefly tackles the Greek and shows how the Calvinist interpretation is not demanded by the Greek and is contrary to the context.  He takes the view that the verb often translated &#8220;ordained&#8221; is most likely passive and shows why this is not a problem for the Arminian interpretation.</p>
<p>The second link goes to a brief article by Jack Cottrell.  He takes the view that the verb should be translated in the middle voice and gives contextual reasons that make better sense of the text than the Calvinist view.</p>
<p>Both views are reasonable and give solid alternatives to the Calvinist view which holds up this passage as a main prooftext for unconditional election.</p>
<p><a href="http://arminianperspectives.wordpress.com/2010/12/16/some-very-important-comments-on-acts-1348-from-an-arminian-perspective/">Abasciano&#8217;s Treatment</a></p>
<p><a href="http://evangelicalarminians.org/?q=wayman.Acts-13.48-and-Calvinism-Dr.Cottrell-explains">Cottrell&#8217;s Treatment</a></p>
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		<title>A Well Expressed and Concise Comment on the Fundamental Problem With Calvinist &#8220;Sovereignty&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course, when Calvinists speak of sovereignty, they are referencing their own bizarre definition of sovereignty which is synonymous with exhaustive decretal determinism.  While Calvinists hold to this definition of sovereignty (what they often call &#8220;absolute&#8221; sovereignty), they have a hard time speaking and thinking in a consistent manner with all that view of sovereignty entails.  Thankfully, [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=arminianperspectives.wordpress.com&amp;blog=3262084&amp;post=1419&amp;subd=arminianperspectives&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, when Calvinists speak of sovereignty, they are referencing their own bizarre definition of sovereignty which is synonymous with exhaustive decretal determinism.  While Calvinists hold to this definition of sovereignty (what they often call &#8220;absolute&#8221; sovereignty), they have a hard time speaking and thinking in a consistent manner with all that view of sovereignty entails.  Thankfully, they likewise have a hard time taking their views to its logical conclusion: making the God of holiness the author and originator of all sin and evil.  This short post at SEA states the matter succinctly in light of recent comments by Calvinists concerning the death of Kim Jong-Il,</p>
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<blockquote><p>After the passing of Kim Jong-Il (our font makes it look like &#8220;Jong the Second,&#8221; but it is really the capital letter i followed by the lowercase letter L), Justin Taylor did a brief post highlighting how diabolical he was:</p>
<p><a title="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2011/12/19/inside-kim-jong-ils-diabolical-world/" href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2011/12/19/inside-kim-jong-ils-diabolical-world/">http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2011/12/19/inside-kim-j&#8230;</a></p>
<p>It is simply baffling that Calvinists can decry the diabolical, heinous actions of Kim Jong-Il (and others like him), and yet they hold that God first conceived in his own divine heart every one of the man’s wicked actions, thought them up without any influence outside of himself, and unconditionally and irresistibly decreed them without any influence outside of himself, resulting in the man doing them all without any chance, power, or ability to do anything else. It’s madness I tell you! Madness!!</p>
<p><a href="http://evangelicalarminians.org/?q=sea.Calvinism-and-the-Evil-of-Kim-Jong-Il">http://evangelicalarminians.org/?q=sea.Calvinism-and-the-Evil-of-Kim-Jong-Il</a></p></blockquote>
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		<title>Two Quick Questions For My Calvinist Friends</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 18:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ques. #1: Why are you a Calvinist?  Primarily, why do you presently hold to Calvinism? Ques. #2: What would it take to convince you that Calvinism is false or unbiblical? (are you even open to the possibility that you may be wrong about Calvinism?)<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=arminianperspectives.wordpress.com&amp;blog=3262084&amp;post=1415&amp;subd=arminianperspectives&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ques. #1: Why are you a Calvinist?  Primarily, why do you presently hold to Calvinism?</p>
<p>Ques. #2: What would it take to convince you that Calvinism is false or unbiblical? (are you even open to the possibility that you may be wrong about Calvinism?)</p>
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		<title>Help With Some Posts</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to do a series of posts that deal with specific Calvinist proof texts.  I have already done this in many other posts but want to organize it into an exegetical series.  I would like to get some suggestions from anyone who has questions on certain texts that supposedly support Calvinism so I can [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=arminianperspectives.wordpress.com&amp;blog=3262084&amp;post=1411&amp;subd=arminianperspectives&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to do a series of posts that deal with specific Calvinist proof texts.  I have already done this in many other posts but want to organize it into an exegetical series.  I would like to get some suggestions from anyone who has questions on certain texts that supposedly support Calvinism so I can include them in my series.  No need to mention Ephesians 1:4, John 6:37, 44, or Romans 9.  Those are the most obvious.  But any others would be helpful.  Feel free to make a suggestion whether you are Arminian, Calvinist, or consider yourself something else.  Please leave any relevant comments about the references as well, like how Calvinists typically use the passage or what the claim is about it that supposedly supports Calvinism.   Maybe I can focus on one a week or something like that (assuming I have the time to get them done that fast).  I thank you in advance for your input.</p>
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		<title>J.I. Packer Calls Arminianism &#8220;an intellectual sin of infirmity&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 20:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In other words, Arminians are just stupid Christians who refuse to mature intellectually.  Here is the quote: Calvinism is the natural theology written on the heart of the new man in Christ, whereas Arminianism is an intellectual sin of infirmity, natural only in the sense in which all such sins are natural, even to the [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=arminianperspectives.wordpress.com&amp;blog=3262084&amp;post=1408&amp;subd=arminianperspectives&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other words, Arminians are just stupid Christians who refuse to mature intellectually.  Here is the quote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Calvinism is the natural theology written on the heart of the new man in Christ, whereas Arminianism is an intellectual sin of infirmity, natural only in the sense in which all such sins are natural, even to the regenerate. Calvinistic thinking is the Christian being himself on the intellectual level; Arminian thinking is the Christian failing to be himself through the weakness of the flesh. Calvinism is what the Christian church has always held and taught when its mind has not been distracted by controversy and false traditions from attending to what Scripture actually says. (taken from: <a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/rogereolson/2011/11/j-i-packer-and-arminianism/">J.I. Packer and Arminianism</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>Roger Olson rightly concludes, &#8220;So, to him, Arminianism is sin.&#8221;  And we are told that Calvinism is supposed to promote humility in its adherents!?  However, it seems to me, again and again, that Calvinism&#8217;s &#8220;natural&#8221; effect is to promote pride and smugness in those who come to embrace it.  And of course, Packer&#8217;s last sentence is demonstrably Historically false (see <a href="http://arminianperspectives.wordpress.com/category/church-history/">here</a> for several posts on the subject).  What is truly sad and alarming is that this comes not from <a href="http://arminianperspectives.wordpress.com/2011/11/04/baffling-comment/">misguided internet Neo-Reformed types</a>, but from a mainstream Calvinist scholar.</p>
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		<title>Baffling Comment</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 17:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone named JW ignored the stated purpose of the X-Calvinist Corner page and wrote the following: Congratulations to all ex-Calvinists. Now you have the right to go to hell. It&#8217;s a precious right so guard it with all of your hearts. I am not sure what to make of it.  Is this person suggesting that [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=arminianperspectives.wordpress.com&amp;blog=3262084&amp;post=1405&amp;subd=arminianperspectives&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone named JW ignored the stated purpose of the <a href="http://arminianperspectives.wordpress.com/x-calvinist-corner/">X-Calvinist Corner </a>page and wrote the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>Congratulations to all ex-Calvinists. Now you have the right to go to hell. It&#8217;s a precious right so guard it with all of your hearts.</p></blockquote>
<p>I am not sure what to make of it.  Is this person suggesting that leaving Calvinism sends someone to hell?  Does the comment suggest that only Calvinists are saved?  If so, this is another disturbing example of the pride and intolerance of certain Calvinists towards any theology that wasn&#8217;t invented by John Calvin.  It really turns sola fide into sola Calvinism.  I wish I could say this is the minority view among Calvinists today, but I am really starting to wonder.  It seems to typify where the Neo-Reformed movement has been heading for quite some time.  Perhaps I have misunderstood.  If so, I invite the author of this comment to explain.</p>
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		<title>Is Faith a Work Created by Man?</title>
		<link>https://arminianperspectives.wordpress.com/2011/10/03/is-faith-a-work-created-by-man/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 23:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Check out this excellent and concise post at SEA on the nature of faith and why the Calvinist view is problematic.  Here is an excerpt: It also has a logic problem, because from a Calvinistic perspective, we have to wonder what was the point of the faith/works distinction in the first place. In other words, if [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=arminianperspectives.wordpress.com&amp;blog=3262084&amp;post=1402&amp;subd=arminianperspectives&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out this excellent and concise post at SEA on the nature of faith and why the Calvinist view is problematic.  Here is an excerpt:</p>
<blockquote><p>It also has a logic problem, because from a Calvinistic perspective, we have to wonder what was the point of the faith/works distinction in the first place. In other words, if we cannot boast in our faith because it is predestined by God, then we also cannot boast in our works because they are predestined by God. But the Bible specifically says that salvation is by faith rather than works, lest any man should boast. Paul&#8217;s explanation is not very meaningful if free-will, not works, is what gives us a reason to boast.</p>
<p><a href="http://evangelicalarminians.org/sea.Is-Faith-a-Work-Created-by-Man">Is Faith a Work Created by Man?</a></p></blockquote>
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		<title>Brian Abasciano Responds to Bill Mounce on 2 Thess. 2:13</title>
		<link>https://arminianperspectives.wordpress.com/2011/09/22/brian-abasciano-responds-to-dan-wallace-on-2-thess-213/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian Abasciano argues against Mounce&#8217;s claim that the grammar of 2 Thess. 2:13 argues for unconditional election.   He counters that the grammar actually more strongly favors the Arminian view of election conditioned by faith.  Check out the full response at SEA:  http://evangelicalarminians.org/node/1236<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=arminianperspectives.wordpress.com&amp;blog=3262084&amp;post=1398&amp;subd=arminianperspectives&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Abasciano argues against Mounce&#8217;s claim that the grammar of 2 Thess. 2:13 argues for unconditional election.   He counters that the grammar actually more strongly favors the Arminian view of election conditioned by faith.  Check out the full response at SEA:  <a href="http://evangelicalarminians.org/node/1236">http://evangelicalarminians.org/node/1236</a></p>
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